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	<title>Comments on: The Shine Has Begun To Wear</title>
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		<title>By: Medryn</title>
		<link>http://www.mmognation.com/2007/08/04/the-shine-has-begun-to-wear/comment-page-1/#comment-18756</link>
		<dc:creator>Medryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are giving Blizzard its credit for being shiny but your not allowing them anything else before judging the new expansion? Let me ask you....

When has Blizzard ever released detailed complete information that solved everyones wishes at the first announcement of a new game or expansion?

...NEVER!! They like to tease and keep their players in the dark and then drop the detail bombs on them as they get closer and closer.

When has Blizzard done what the player crowd expected based on their initial worries?

...NEVER!! Blizzard always changes it up or releases new info that puts to ease most players concerns (keep in mind no one is perfect not everyone will be happy but you get the idea).

You guys need to just chill and let this thing roll out and as it comes learn to enjoy the idea of it and what it could be, if its not that when the time comes then whine and complain and don&#039;t play cause we all hate QQrs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are giving Blizzard its credit for being shiny but your not allowing them anything else before judging the new expansion? Let me ask you&#8230;.</p>
<p>When has Blizzard ever released detailed complete information that solved everyones wishes at the first announcement of a new game or expansion?</p>
<p>&#8230;NEVER!! They like to tease and keep their players in the dark and then drop the detail bombs on them as they get closer and closer.</p>
<p>When has Blizzard done what the player crowd expected based on their initial worries?</p>
<p>&#8230;NEVER!! Blizzard always changes it up or releases new info that puts to ease most players concerns (keep in mind no one is perfect not everyone will be happy but you get the idea).</p>
<p>You guys need to just chill and let this thing roll out and as it comes learn to enjoy the idea of it and what it could be, if its not that when the time comes then whine and complain and don&#8217;t play cause we all hate QQrs.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.mmognation.com/2007/08/04/the-shine-has-begun-to-wear/comment-page-1/#comment-11314</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just par for the course for Blizzard with World of Warcraft. I don&#039;t see this a new trend for them, look back to the launch of WoW and BC. It&#039;s always been too little too late as they&#039;ve been unable to create new content faster than their playerbase could consume it.

What new expansions and features they do bring out are all incremental and never innovative to the market. They simply continue building on their base which was good 2 years ago, but now cannot hold with the new MMO&#039;s coming.I was truly hoping they would announce something to really &quot;WoW&quot; the community (pun intended) but again they&#039;ve got yet another missed opportunity.

The game is still a grind, everytime they raise the level cap 10 lvls it becomes even less of a value proposition for those looking for more entertainment.

There&#039;s no doubt for me that my money and limited time investment will be going towards games like Pirates of the Burning Seas, Conan, or Warhammer rather than more regurgitated WoW gameplay. 

Perhaps this is just another jaded MMO player that&#039;s been along the ride since UO, the newer generation of MMO gamers that started with WoW may be less quick to tire of the treadmill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just par for the course for Blizzard with World of Warcraft. I don&#8217;t see this a new trend for them, look back to the launch of WoW and BC. It&#8217;s always been too little too late as they&#8217;ve been unable to create new content faster than their playerbase could consume it.</p>
<p>What new expansions and features they do bring out are all incremental and never innovative to the market. They simply continue building on their base which was good 2 years ago, but now cannot hold with the new MMO&#8217;s coming.I was truly hoping they would announce something to really &#8220;WoW&#8221; the community (pun intended) but again they&#8217;ve got yet another missed opportunity.</p>
<p>The game is still a grind, everytime they raise the level cap 10 lvls it becomes even less of a value proposition for those looking for more entertainment.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt for me that my money and limited time investment will be going towards games like Pirates of the Burning Seas, Conan, or Warhammer rather than more regurgitated WoW gameplay. </p>
<p>Perhaps this is just another jaded MMO player that&#8217;s been along the ride since UO, the newer generation of MMO gamers that started with WoW may be less quick to tire of the treadmill.</p>
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		<title>By: Bildo</title>
		<link>http://www.mmognation.com/2007/08/04/the-shine-has-begun-to-wear/comment-page-1/#comment-11300</link>
		<dc:creator>Bildo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the EQ2 is hard to find a group on quote, I couldn&#039;t disagree more.  I just picked it up for the 1st serious time last week, and I&#039;m 19 and have grouped for a lot of that.  Joining a well established guild on my server helps this, as does the games general slant towards altism.  It&#039;s a very big game, with a lot of options, like CoH.  So I always seem to be able to find someone playing an alt or on their 1st way through to group up with.  

That combined with the mentoring system, helps immensely.

On the Blizzard shine wearing off, I don&#039;t think so.  I&#039;m betting the expansion will be as polished as all get out.  But what I think is more telling is that you can finally start to see that Blizzard&#039;s got a great art style, but bad content designers.  This expansion, for all intents and purposes is the same as the previous one.  The only thing remotely interesting is the siege weapons which were talked about and told they&#039;d be coming &quot;soon&quot; back before the game ever launched.

Is it still a great game?  Yes.  But it has had its share of mistakes made, and you can bet a lot of the upcoming games are going to learn from them.  Let&#039;s hope Blizzard does as well for the inevitable WoW2.  Because if they do, I&#039;ll be right there to buy it.  If they don&#039;t... Waaagh! it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the EQ2 is hard to find a group on quote, I couldn&#8217;t disagree more.  I just picked it up for the 1st serious time last week, and I&#8217;m 19 and have grouped for a lot of that.  Joining a well established guild on my server helps this, as does the games general slant towards altism.  It&#8217;s a very big game, with a lot of options, like CoH.  So I always seem to be able to find someone playing an alt or on their 1st way through to group up with.  </p>
<p>That combined with the mentoring system, helps immensely.</p>
<p>On the Blizzard shine wearing off, I don&#8217;t think so.  I&#8217;m betting the expansion will be as polished as all get out.  But what I think is more telling is that you can finally start to see that Blizzard&#8217;s got a great art style, but bad content designers.  This expansion, for all intents and purposes is the same as the previous one.  The only thing remotely interesting is the siege weapons which were talked about and told they&#8217;d be coming &#8220;soon&#8221; back before the game ever launched.</p>
<p>Is it still a great game?  Yes.  But it has had its share of mistakes made, and you can bet a lot of the upcoming games are going to learn from them.  Let&#8217;s hope Blizzard does as well for the inevitable WoW2.  Because if they do, I&#8217;ll be right there to buy it.  If they don&#8217;t&#8230; Waaagh! it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Darniaq</title>
		<link>http://www.mmognation.com/2007/08/04/the-shine-has-begun-to-wear/comment-page-1/#comment-11122</link>
		<dc:creator>Darniaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s too early to assess this expansion. They obviously felt the need to announce something, but it&#039;s incomplete. No way this thing comes out with just one Hero class. That alone should be enough to indicate more info will be coming.

Blizzard is likely being forced by higher forces to NOT do another BC. They had a lock on the genre for a good long time, but their retention has got to be decreasing. They can&#039;t afford to continue to think that whoever comes will stay as long as those people who came on launch day. The churn will increase so the need to bring them back and add new players will increase.

As such, expansions can&#039;t take two years to come out. Once a year would be about right.

And while it would be right to ensure all new expansions come out with all old content, they really only have EQ2 to go by. And as mature a game that is, it hasn&#039;t gotten the success to really compel anyone to say to themselves &quot;we gotta do this or else!&quot;.

Finally, Blizzard succeeded in increasing the size of the genre by dragging in millions of new players.  Any mistake they make is only recognizable by the veteran set. Unlike in a game like CoX or EQ2, we are not the majority voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s too early to assess this expansion. They obviously felt the need to announce something, but it&#8217;s incomplete. No way this thing comes out with just one Hero class. That alone should be enough to indicate more info will be coming.</p>
<p>Blizzard is likely being forced by higher forces to NOT do another BC. They had a lock on the genre for a good long time, but their retention has got to be decreasing. They can&#8217;t afford to continue to think that whoever comes will stay as long as those people who came on launch day. The churn will increase so the need to bring them back and add new players will increase.</p>
<p>As such, expansions can&#8217;t take two years to come out. Once a year would be about right.</p>
<p>And while it would be right to ensure all new expansions come out with all old content, they really only have EQ2 to go by. And as mature a game that is, it hasn&#8217;t gotten the success to really compel anyone to say to themselves &#8220;we gotta do this or else!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Finally, Blizzard succeeded in increasing the size of the genre by dragging in millions of new players.  Any mistake they make is only recognizable by the veteran set. Unlike in a game like CoX or EQ2, we are not the majority voice.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.mmognation.com/2007/08/04/the-shine-has-begun-to-wear/comment-page-1/#comment-11118</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe WOW is wearing them down heartless.   Every company I&#039;ve ever worked for the developers took it as pure hell to get stuck working on the already existing stuff.

It&#039;s an interesting thought.  Maybe the devs normal human nature to want to move on to the new interesting stuff is the problem.   If that&#039;s the case it&#039;s a shame they don&#039;t understand why so many of us want the old areas tweaked and hopefully seeded with new stuff to find and play with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe WOW is wearing them down heartless.   Every company I&#8217;ve ever worked for the developers took it as pure hell to get stuck working on the already existing stuff.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting thought.  Maybe the devs normal human nature to want to move on to the new interesting stuff is the problem.   If that&#8217;s the case it&#8217;s a shame they don&#8217;t understand why so many of us want the old areas tweaked and hopefully seeded with new stuff to find and play with.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Preston</title>
		<link>http://www.mmognation.com/2007/08/04/the-shine-has-begun-to-wear/comment-page-1/#comment-11115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I canceled my WoW account a few months before BC basically, like you said, because there wasn&#039;t any point in running end-game stuff when in a few month&#039;s it would take me 20 minutes to find greens better than my purples. But I never did pick up the game again. 

I saw this kind of thing before with Blizzard and Diablo II (hey, it still exists, right?). There&#039;s this tension between a game needing new content and new incentives to keep old players playing (no endless unchanging endgame), but once you hop out for a while it&#039;s harder to come back in. Your bearings are off. At least mine always are. 

Not sure I&#039;ll ever pick up WoW again, especially now that come a few months I&#039;ll be 20 levels and uncountable items behind everyone else. 

Also, RE: Death Knight - 100% agreement there. It would be far far cooler to &quot;earn&quot; that class that to pick it in the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I canceled my WoW account a few months before BC basically, like you said, because there wasn&#8217;t any point in running end-game stuff when in a few month&#8217;s it would take me 20 minutes to find greens better than my purples. But I never did pick up the game again. </p>
<p>I saw this kind of thing before with Blizzard and Diablo II (hey, it still exists, right?). There&#8217;s this tension between a game needing new content and new incentives to keep old players playing (no endless unchanging endgame), but once you hop out for a while it&#8217;s harder to come back in. Your bearings are off. At least mine always are. </p>
<p>Not sure I&#8217;ll ever pick up WoW again, especially now that come a few months I&#8217;ll be 20 levels and uncountable items behind everyone else. </p>
<p>Also, RE: Death Knight &#8211; 100% agreement there. It would be far far cooler to &#8220;earn&#8221; that class that to pick it in the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.mmognation.com/2007/08/04/the-shine-has-begun-to-wear/comment-page-1/#comment-11114</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the9&#039;s website its on thier own press release that chinese players who have an existing wow account will not have to upgrade to BC.  For them it&#039;s free.  

http://www.the9.com/en/news/2007/news_070608.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the9&#8217;s website its on thier own press release that chinese players who have an existing wow account will not have to upgrade to BC.  For them it&#8217;s free.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.the9.com/en/news/2007/news_070608.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.the9.com/en/news/2007/news_070608.htm</a></p>
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