Comments on: RIP WoW 1-60 http://www.mmognation.com/2008/09/15/rip-wow-1-60/ Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:06:51 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Tesh http://www.mmognation.com/2008/09/15/rip-wow-1-60/comment-page-1/#comment-164093 Tesh Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:20:06 +0000 http://www.mmognation.com/?p=1226#comment-164093 I commented on Damien's address here: http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/endgame-in-game/ He has some good points about how the "elder game" is the potential for MMOs, but it ultimately underscores the bad design of a level grind. I commented on Damien’s address here:
http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/endgame-in-game/

He has some good points about how the “elder game” is the potential for MMOs, but it ultimately underscores the bad design of a level grind.

]]> By: Cameron Sorden http://www.mmognation.com/2008/09/15/rip-wow-1-60/comment-page-1/#comment-164075 Cameron Sorden Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:42:20 +0000 http://www.mmognation.com/?p=1226#comment-164075 Okay, having read some of the other summaries up around the web, I see what he's saying. I'm pretty curious to see what he's working on. Okay, having read some of the other summaries up around the web, I see what he’s saying.

I’m pretty curious to see what he’s working on.

]]> By: Cameron Sorden http://www.mmognation.com/2008/09/15/rip-wow-1-60/comment-page-1/#comment-164074 Cameron Sorden Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:31:52 +0000 http://www.mmognation.com/?p=1226#comment-164074 I need to go back and re-read Damion's comments more thoroughly. Is there a straight transcript of the speech posted anywhere? I'm not sure I agree that the only game is the endgame. It's definitely a game, and it's definitely an important game, but I'm not convinced it's THE game. If you consider a game like WoW, where the endgame is arguably the PvE content (given their lack of PvP-centric design), you still only have what, 20% of the population with gear from a 10-man or higher? I believe it was 1 million players or something as of this may, out of the 5 or 6 million people playing in US/Europe. Even if it's higher than that now, we're still talking about over half the playerbase that simply doesn't consume that content. This all reminds me of that huge WoW article I wrote last year about the state of the WoW raiding game. Arrgh. I wasn't going to write a novel here. Okay. More on this subject incoming once I've looked more closely at Damion's comments and thought about it a bit more. I need to go back and re-read Damion’s comments more thoroughly. Is there a straight transcript of the speech posted anywhere?

I’m not sure I agree that the only game is the endgame. It’s definitely a game, and it’s definitely an important game, but I’m not convinced it’s THE game.

If you consider a game like WoW, where the endgame is arguably the PvE content (given their lack of PvP-centric design), you still only have what, 20% of the population with gear from a 10-man or higher? I believe it was 1 million players or something as of this may, out of the 5 or 6 million people playing in US/Europe. Even if it’s higher than that now, we’re still talking about over half the playerbase that simply doesn’t consume that content.

This all reminds me of that huge WoW article I wrote last year about the state of the WoW raiding game. Arrgh. I wasn’t going to write a novel here. Okay. More on this subject incoming once I’ve looked more closely at Damion’s comments and thought about it a bit more.

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