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		<title>By: Of layoff and numbers &#171; Shadow WAR&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Of layoff and numbers &#171; Shadow WAR&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tinman_au</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinman_au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They had a 400+ team up to launch.

They kept them all on months after release, while other MMO companies generally trim the team back as soon as the game launches.

And for this you rip on them?  And worse, rip on them without the correct info (re: the update on Carrie).

And given the numbers (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/239/feature/2671/page/1), I think it&#039;s still a pretty large team (larger than the team that did DAoC?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They had a 400+ team up to launch.</p>
<p>They kept them all on months after release, while other MMO companies generally trim the team back as soon as the game launches.</p>
<p>And for this you rip on them?  And worse, rip on them without the correct info (re: the update on Carrie).</p>
<p>And given the numbers (<a href="http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/239/feature/2671/page/1)" rel="nofollow">http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/239/feature/2671/page/1)</a>, I think it&#8217;s still a pretty large team (larger than the team that did DAoC?)</p>
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		<title>By: Nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to pile on here but damn.

So they let the person who developed the Tome go, sounds like a solid business decision to me. The game has launched, the Tome created and going forward all you need to do is add to the Tome. I’m sure others at the company are more than capable of doing this type of work. The Tome (while cool) is not going to do jack shit to bring people back to the game (what Mythic and EA most likely are focusing on). 

I get the idea that a lot of people have never been a manager or executive at a large company. Business is business and you do what needs to be done to accomplish your goals. Sometimes you have to make decisions where there is no ‘good’ solution, they all suck but you pick the one that sucks the least.

Don’t take this as a defense of MJ in the slightest – I think the man is full of shit and should keep his freaking mouth shut. He does more harm than good when he starts talking. 

Maybe it is just my background but to lash out at EA and Mythic like this is very unprofessional. I don’t care if this is your personal blog, it is a blog. While you can talk all the shit you want about Mythic and EA, doing it in a public space like this something I would never do and don’t think you should do either. Have you thought what this will do to your relationship with EA and Mythic, what it will do the Massively’s relationship with them? Hell man, if I were your boss I would knock the shit out of you for outbursts like this.

I’m not saying you have to be some corporate yes man but emotional outbursts (relating to your job) should NEVER take place in public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to pile on here but damn.</p>
<p>So they let the person who developed the Tome go, sounds like a solid business decision to me. The game has launched, the Tome created and going forward all you need to do is add to the Tome. I’m sure others at the company are more than capable of doing this type of work. The Tome (while cool) is not going to do jack shit to bring people back to the game (what Mythic and EA most likely are focusing on). </p>
<p>I get the idea that a lot of people have never been a manager or executive at a large company. Business is business and you do what needs to be done to accomplish your goals. Sometimes you have to make decisions where there is no ‘good’ solution, they all suck but you pick the one that sucks the least.</p>
<p>Don’t take this as a defense of MJ in the slightest – I think the man is full of shit and should keep his freaking mouth shut. He does more harm than good when he starts talking. </p>
<p>Maybe it is just my background but to lash out at EA and Mythic like this is very unprofessional. I don’t care if this is your personal blog, it is a blog. While you can talk all the shit you want about Mythic and EA, doing it in a public space like this something I would never do and don’t think you should do either. Have you thought what this will do to your relationship with EA and Mythic, what it will do the Massively’s relationship with them? Hell man, if I were your boss I would knock the shit out of you for outbursts like this.</p>
<p>I’m not saying you have to be some corporate yes man but emotional outbursts (relating to your job) should NEVER take place in public.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Danger Chen &#187; Daily Digest for 2009-02-04</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Danger Chen &#187; Daily Digest for 2009-02-04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cyanbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyanbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am honestly not trying to argue, and I know that people within the field of &quot;game journalism&quot; do make relationships with people within the industry then associate them with a game, but the fact is that EA didn&#039;t make what they thought they would from the game 6 months outside launch (700k -&gt; 300k).   There is no one to blame specifically, but the fact remains they (EA) can only support X amount of people at this time.  That X amount includes ever increasing console games, which overall, I think still is increasing at a faster rate that people who join Waaagh, so this is where the axe is gonna fall.   It doesn&#039;t make it any easier to digest that the people who had an integral part of the game design and &quot;soul&quot; are leaving, but lets face it, even in times of economic boom this was happening, I think you are totally overreacting based on your own emotional attachment to these people ( just look at the first two paragraphs of this post).   It almost feels like this is your emotional plea (and place to keep further connections) that massively wouldn&#039;t let you run.   I am sure these people will find other positions (Waaagh was a very well polished game when it did release, yeah there have been changes but that wasn&#039;t because of lack of quality). Quitting the game is your choice, but this post smells like such planned drama and mmo blogosphere subject will raise up.  This post seems like a post to keep and solidify your current connections as they more to other places and doesn&#039;t have the sincerity of actually caring for the individuals let go (lets be honest, objectively canceling your subscription doesn&#039;t mean shit financially to the people let go.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am honestly not trying to argue, and I know that people within the field of &#8220;game journalism&#8221; do make relationships with people within the industry then associate them with a game, but the fact is that EA didn&#8217;t make what they thought they would from the game 6 months outside launch (700k -&gt; 300k).   There is no one to blame specifically, but the fact remains they (EA) can only support X amount of people at this time.  That X amount includes ever increasing console games, which overall, I think still is increasing at a faster rate that people who join Waaagh, so this is where the axe is gonna fall.   It doesn&#8217;t make it any easier to digest that the people who had an integral part of the game design and &#8220;soul&#8221; are leaving, but lets face it, even in times of economic boom this was happening, I think you are totally overreacting based on your own emotional attachment to these people ( just look at the first two paragraphs of this post).   It almost feels like this is your emotional plea (and place to keep further connections) that massively wouldn&#8217;t let you run.   I am sure these people will find other positions (Waaagh was a very well polished game when it did release, yeah there have been changes but that wasn&#8217;t because of lack of quality). Quitting the game is your choice, but this post smells like such planned drama and mmo blogosphere subject will raise up.  This post seems like a post to keep and solidify your current connections as they more to other places and doesn&#8217;t have the sincerity of actually caring for the individuals let go (lets be honest, objectively canceling your subscription doesn&#8217;t mean shit financially to the people let go.)</p>
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		<title>By: scribbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>scribbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 04:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly feel this is 100% the wrong way for people to respond to this, yes allot of people feel a attachment to people they have communicated with throughout the games development, but saying &#039;i quit&#039; devalues the work they did in the past &amp; the work of those who are left.

I think i also read on another blog that reports are coming out that Carrie Gouskos hasn&#039;t been laid off. If that turns out to be true will you re-install the game?

If you really want to show how much you appreciate the guys who have been unfortunate enough to loose their jobs write something which highlights the work they did without sensationalizing their situation. The last thing any of these will want to be at a time like this is a cause celeb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly feel this is 100% the wrong way for people to respond to this, yes allot of people feel a attachment to people they have communicated with throughout the games development, but saying &#8216;i quit&#8217; devalues the work they did in the past &amp; the work of those who are left.</p>
<p>I think i also read on another blog that reports are coming out that Carrie Gouskos hasn&#8217;t been laid off. If that turns out to be true will you re-install the game?</p>
<p>If you really want to show how much you appreciate the guys who have been unfortunate enough to loose their jobs write something which highlights the work they did without sensationalizing their situation. The last thing any of these will want to be at a time like this is a cause celeb.</p>
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		<title>By: Kira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 04:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal,

I know it sucks. I&#039;ve been following this game since it was announced that yes, there was going to be a WAR; only to see this? Many of the faces that I&#039;ve gotten to know as though I saw them every day get let go? Yeah it really stinks. And I&#039;ll agree that they&#039;re not the brightest pixel on the screen for laying off some of those that they did, but when has Mythic muchless EA, had a good running streak for being smart more than a dozen times in a row?

But to boycott the game? Not the way to go about things. A bit childish if nothing else. And while you may be feeling childish at the moment given the circumstances, nothing will get accomplished. Give it a month at least. If you feel like you really don&#039;t want to play WAR then, through the same set of criteria that one would normally use (i.e. Have I logged in in the past two weeks? Am I having fun? Is it worth it?), go ahead and cancel. But to do it in spite of EA? Its kinda like saying &quot;I&#039;m leaving my bank and going somewhere else because they laid off my favorite teller!&quot; doesn&#039;t really make sense, you know?

And as for Mark? Just nod your head, say yes, and go about your business. He hardly ever says anything that actually has credence anymore anyways. Yes he&#039;s putting a positive spin on a negative situation, but then too, that&#039;s what he&#039;s paid to do, as Nick said. 

Just a random view from an odd girl though.....
~Kira</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal,</p>
<p>I know it sucks. I&#8217;ve been following this game since it was announced that yes, there was going to be a WAR; only to see this? Many of the faces that I&#8217;ve gotten to know as though I saw them every day get let go? Yeah it really stinks. And I&#8217;ll agree that they&#8217;re not the brightest pixel on the screen for laying off some of those that they did, but when has Mythic muchless EA, had a good running streak for being smart more than a dozen times in a row?</p>
<p>But to boycott the game? Not the way to go about things. A bit childish if nothing else. And while you may be feeling childish at the moment given the circumstances, nothing will get accomplished. Give it a month at least. If you feel like you really don&#8217;t want to play WAR then, through the same set of criteria that one would normally use (i.e. Have I logged in in the past two weeks? Am I having fun? Is it worth it?), go ahead and cancel. But to do it in spite of EA? Its kinda like saying &#8220;I&#8217;m leaving my bank and going somewhere else because they laid off my favorite teller!&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really make sense, you know?</p>
<p>And as for Mark? Just nod your head, say yes, and go about your business. He hardly ever says anything that actually has credence anymore anyways. Yes he&#8217;s putting a positive spin on a negative situation, but then too, that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s paid to do, as Nick said. </p>
<p>Just a random view from an odd girl though&#8230;..<br />
~Kira</p>
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